Fri 1 Apr 2005
Yet another horribly organised operation
Posted by Joe under At home and work , Random Thoughts , Web development and design[3] Comments
UPDATE: I have the answer in the comments below. Thanks Toby!
Well maybe not horribly organised, but it fits their acronym. After releasing their API there was a general wow around the web about how Yahoo! was (getting) better than Google.
I thought this would be great; I could use Yahoo to power the search for a site I was working on. However, their terms clearly say ‘non-commercial’. Great, as a Government agency, we are clearly not commercial. There is even case law to back this opinion up.
However, I thought I’d check with Yahoo for their interpretation, just so that all of the ‘i’s are dotted and ‘t’s crossed. They didn’t respond to the first email I sent two weeks ago so I tried again. There response was weird; they tried to sell me advertising. I’ve written back trying to get a definite answer, but no response.
I know I’m just a small fish in a huge sea, so I understand that they can’t answer everything immediately, but a simple yes/no answer should be relatively easy for them. In their FAQs they have an email address specifically for this.
This is what I sent them:
Hi, I am investigating different search options for a Website I am developing for a small New Zealand Government agency. Can you please tell me if using your APIs on a government site is considered non-commercial? Thanks Joe Lindsay
And their response (within 24 hours):
Hello, Thank you for your interest in commercial use of the Yahoo! Search Web Services. Although the Yahoo! Search Developer Network is currently licensing the Yahoo! Search Technology solely for non-commercial use, we are evaluating future commercial offerings. In the mean time, please share with us your ideas on the types of commercial licensing models that would work best for your applications and business. If you are a high volume customer, Yahoo! Search Marketing Solutions (formerly Overture) offers commercial licensing that may serve your needs. If you are interested in obtaining a commercial license, please visit us at http://www.content.overture.com/d/USm/ps/po.jhtml. You are also welcome to use our SDK and APIs to develop a non-production internal prototype of a commercial application using Yahoo! Search Technology, and Yahoo! Search Marketing Solutions would be happy to review it when discussing your interest in a commercial relationship. Thank you again for your interest, and we look forward to working with you. Sincerely, The Yahoo! Search Team
So I wrote back
Hi, Thanks for the response. However, it doesn't actually answer the question. The question is over your interpretation of 'non-commercial' in your API terms of use. According to case law in New Zealand, because we are a Government agency that is not established (in fact not allowed) to make a profit, we are considered non-commercial. I would like to know if this interpretation is consistent with your terms of use, and we can use the API for a public web site we are developing. The number of serches that we generate are low, about xxxxxx per day. Thanks Joe
So far I have not had another response. I wait with bated breath
Joe, how could you forget that multinationals are like politicians? Talk around it, not about it.
Non-commercial refers to the use of the product, not the structure of the company behind it. It means you can’t resell Yahoo! Search, or use it in an application you are selling to others. Commercially-driven organizations are welcome to use the Yahoo! API for non-commercial purposes.
Regards,
Toby Elliott
Yahoo! Webservices
Thanks very much Toby